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Post Mon May 21, 2018 4:41 pm

Is Rally in the Valley competing with Laconia?

It seems to me, an outsider from Texas, that Rally In The Valley is trying to compete with Laconia Motorcycle Week since it has it's own name and takes place the same week but that seems odd. Doesn't the entire state try to promote and benefit from Laconia Motorcycle Week?
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Post Mon May 21, 2018 8:39 pm

Re: Is Rally in the Valley competing with Laconia?

Hey SouthTexas, the "Rally in the Valley" is part of Laconia Bike Week, not a separate event. There has always been the "Ride to the Sky" - a motorcycles ONLY ride up Mt. Washington - but lately they have added some attractions up there and named it. There's also many other "Rides" during Bike Week, which is always a major part of Bike Week, the "Carnival" at the Weirs is pretty much the same all week.
Come on up. There's more information at the "Official" bike week site: Laconia Motorcycle Week.com.

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Post Tue May 22, 2018 11:27 am

Re: Is Rally in the Valley competing with Laconia?

Thanks tofeather, I appreciate the response and info. I didn't know that but I'm happy to hear that it is in support of Motorcycle Week. Man, I am tempted. I grew up in Laconia in the 50's and motorcycling got in my blood. My family moved west in 1961 when I was eleven but I never forgot the beautiful place! I rode back to Motorcycle week in 2001 and again in 2005 but that 4000 mile round trip, rainstorms, etc., seem more daunting to me these days. 2001 had the vintage racing back up on the mountain and 2005 had the vintage racing downtown. Both of those were really cool. I enjoy the little things at Laconia Motorcycle week, the personal stuff and memories. I remember coming down north main as a kid during motorcycle week, or 'the races' as we called it then, and seeing the bikes parked around the train station and along Church street, seeing the canon balls that were usually stacked nicely, spread out after a night of 'enjoyment', :), by the bikers, etc. So, so many great memories. Man, I'm tempted. I'm definitely not getting any younger. :) Thanks again.

PS: Do you ride an Indian? The name tofeather has me wondering.
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Post Wed May 23, 2018 12:05 am

Re: Is Rally in the Valley competing with Laconia?

Hey SouthTexas, I got the name "tofeather" at a really huge Pow-wow, at the Seminole Reservation, Dade County, Fla., in 1992. Long story - to be shared at the campfire.
I don't ride an Indian, but the old '82 XV920J - "Windjammer" was nicknamed the "Asian Injun" when I purchased it back in '96. Didn't have a bike for 28 years, married and family, etc., etc. Before that I had a '53 FL Pan, back in '63 - '67, and before that a '51 EL Pan. I should have kept the bikes and NOT gotten married.
If you do think of coming for any part of bike week you're welcome to stay at the campground I've been staying at for the last 5 or 6 years. It's about 25 miles north of the Weirs, but a great ride down to the carnival. It has changed a LOT in the last 4 or 5 years. I remember the "Vintage" races downtown, that was a blast. Not they race at Loudon, early in the week.
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Post Thu May 24, 2018 12:48 pm

Re: Is Rally in the Valley competing with Laconia?

Thanks for the invitation, tofeathers. That's a cool handle by the way. :) How has Motorcycle Week changed a 'LOT' in the last 4-5 years? Has it slowed down, lost emphasis and participation? I already feel sad going back and seeing how the 1965 Urban renewal ruined a beautiful old New England downtown; I'd hate to see an ignored or watered down Motorcycle Week. Maybe I should just concentrate on the great memories and 'assume' all is still good with Laconia motorcycle Week and visit Laconia at another time. :)
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Post Thu May 24, 2018 5:48 pm

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Hi Southtexas. Attendance has gone down over the last few years. The "official" organization that "runs" Bike Week has no idea of how to run a Motorcycle Rally. They have increased police presence, passed laws to prohibit "Flashing", fining the gals that don't mind "Showing - 'em", and other lame "rules". They have made it into a "Family" event. Many Vendors have stopped coming to Laconia partly because of the ridiculous high fees they have to pay to the City and the land owners, and the "intimidation" from the presence of certain "outlaw" M/C groups.
They still have some races at Loudon, and the Hill Climbs have returned to Gunstock.
There are articles here on the board about all that's going on.
I go simply because it's a chance to meet up with many people I have met because of the common interest in motorcycles, riding them, touring some of the most beautiful scenery in the north-east, and camping for the week with other "bikers". There's a growing division between true, "Old School" bikers and the (Yuppy) motorcycle riders that are around today.
You're probably closer to Sturgis, that is still the biggest and seems to be growing. I went back in '09, the year the big storm blew in and did a lot of damage, mostly from hailstones. I believe it was shown on one of the "Sturgis Rally" shows. I remember getting caught in the wind, while on a ride, and it was like my old "scoot" had a super charger or a jet blast pushing me down the road. I was lucky I didn't crash or get any real damage.
The invitation stands, or if you do decide to visit "Nahamsha", pleas do let me know.
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Post Thu May 24, 2018 8:15 pm

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My wife read your post, tofeathers, and said, "Doesn’t sound like the fun one we went to in 2001............what would I take pictures of"?????? LOL In all seriousness though, it's sad to hear. Laconia was the first and 'the' biker get together for so long. Thank goodness for the great memories.

I missed the 2009 Sturgis Rally, the first I had missed since 2001. It sounds like a good one to have missed. We were in a really bad car accident in 2009 and I nearly lost my wife so the Rally was the last thing on my mind. Thankfully, she recovered and all is well. I've made all but the 75th (2015) and last year's Rally since then. I understand the camping with fellow riders draw and really appreciate your invitation. That has always been my draw for Sturgis, camping with fellow riders from around the country. My, and my friends from different states, go-to campground though, Elkview, was sold before last years' Rally and the new owners changed the name, Kickstands, and converted it into a mini Buffalo Chip with loud bands until the wee hours, not something we liked at all. With everyone I camped with scattering to different campgrounds, or giving the Rally up, a good thing is no more. We never shared contact info. so no telling where each goes now. I may try another campground this year or I may just enjoy the memories, we'll see. Hey, no matter what, I'm going to continue throwing a leg over and putting down the road. :)
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Post Thu May 24, 2018 9:53 pm

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Hi again. Glad to hear your wife has recovered, that had to be scary and a real "bummer".
I camped at the County Line / Broken Spoke campground, and met riders from New Mexico and Colorado. I camped there because I was working the "Overnight Security" detail at the "Big" bar. My son Brian worked for them for quite a while and he got me the position because the regular guy couldn't make it. I camped as far away as possible, near Bear Butte. And I don't like to camp where all the "heavy duty" party people are, plus the campgrounds within 10 miles of the Weirs upcharge for bike week.
The guys from N.M. were a father / son that rode up from Roswell. The dad stayed in touch with me. He was from Pa. (originally) and retired to a ranch in N.M. He had never been to Laconia and the following year he rode out by himself and we spent 5 days touring the area. Two years later he did it again, he was some kinds serious rider. He loved camping and loved the restaurants that we went to, when we were too lazy to cook. Sadly he passed away last year, and even though I only knew him a relatively short time he became a close friend.

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Post Thu May 24, 2018 10:29 pm

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Hello, SouthTexas, this is W.R. I actually just got back from The Weirs {it was sunny, 80 and gorgeous} and came here to post a video for any of the guys who might wish to see this year's FIRST sign of Bike Week, the fence at Faro Italian Grille aka The Lobster Pound, is up. There's also a hot '66 El Camino {I had one in '74} but that's another issue, lol. While I won't go on one of my many rants and am really tempted to mind my own business and stfu, your statement "I'd hate to see an ignored or watered down Motorcycle Week" really hit me. Tofeather was pretty candid with his assessment of things but, without being an asshole, I really do think you'd appreciate the truth of things rather than coming all this way, spending lots of $$$ and being completely crestfallen.

Other than Lakeside Avenue {Thursday on ...} and The Spoke and Roadhouse {somewhat ...}, you wouldn't know it now. The entire corner up at The Tamarack is, essentially, gone. The Broken Antler/Boot Hill Saloon has been closed for four or five years. The parcel in between J.T.'s Barbecue {closed for 2-3 years now} and Pine Hollow Campground, home to the original Spoke, Road Hog Saloon, Benders, etc., is chained off and empty. Funspot is completely empty, vendors moving to the track. The Spoke is a shadow of the old days, half as many vendors as when Indian Larry, Billy Lane etc. graced the place in the "Discovery" days. The Loony Bin, thankfully, has survived and flourished.

It's not my intent to piss on your Corn Flakes, for real. It's still God's Country, beautiful as ever, and if you met up with Tofeather and some of the usual suspects here, no doubt you's have a week to remember :ban_031: !!! Just saying that if you'd hate to see a "watered down" Bike Week, you'll be in deep shit in 2018. Oh, and the Drive In's been empty for the last two years too, lol.

Just my .02 and please take it in the spirit in which it's given. And since I'm here, I'll save a new thread ..... here's the first sign of L.B.W. '18 - FENCE IS UP! Best, W.R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaEOQqA3yZo&t=7s

P. S. To be fair, there IS fun to be had at The Roadhouse w/Jack Schit :ban_005:

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Post Fri May 25, 2018 5:55 pm

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I'm sorry about your Roswell friend, tofeathers. I ride through Roswell once or twice a year and know the area very well. I have friends in Roswell. When we moved west from Laconia in 1961 we settled in Albuquerque, New Mexico where I grew up from age 11 on. I went to high school and college in New Mexico and married a New Mexico gal. We moved to our present location south of Houston almost 30 years ago. I've liked every place I have lived.
I know the Broken Spoke in Sturgis pretty well as well, both downtown and out by the Butte. When you say the Big Bar you must be talking about the ride through bar? I didn't go last year but I see that The Full Throttle bought that property and made major changes. It is a ways out there so it will be interesting to see how they do.

Thanks for the video and additional info, W.R. I enjoyed seeing the Weirs. All Rallies around the country are probably going to face challenges as bikers turn grey, like I did years ago, and start giving up riding, like I hope not to do for years to come, but it sounds like Laconia is trying to kill it's formerly great Rally prematurely. That's a darn shame.

I enjoy hearing what you New Hampshirites have to say and how you feel about the changes. New Hampshire will always be in my blood, thoughts, and great memories.
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Post Sat May 26, 2018 11:48 am

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SouthTexas, Nice to hear from you too. It's true that many of us are "ageing out" of riding, many like me who have given it up because of the risks involved - cellphone idiots, opioid pilots and just general a$$wipes. It IS also fair to note that many of the "new" three, four and five day rallies are boasting NATIONAL acts and are doing quite well, so the idea that biker rallies are "dying" is not altogether accurate. Laconia lost "at least" 100,000 attendees in the five years from 2012 to 2017 {their figures, not mine} and yet it appears that both Sturgis and Daytona are, at the very least, "stable". Oh well, enjoy your holiday weekend and above all, stay safe - W.R.
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Post Sat May 26, 2018 1:44 pm

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"cellphone idiots, opioid pilots and just general a$$wipes". I couldn't have said it better myself, W.R. :) I've thought about those things a lot in recent years, as all riders have I'm sure. Getting plowed into the ground from behind at a stop by an inattentive driver is my biggest concern. So far I'm hanging in there and just trying to up my already attentive game. Have a great Memorial Day weekend yourself. You've given up riding?
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Post Sat May 26, 2018 4:50 pm

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Yup, SouthTexas, gone for good. I put on 4000 miles last summer, actually had zero close calls and had a blast.

That said, because of my Youtube news channel "NewsCam 603", the scanner is on morning to night and that's all the education anybody needs. Here we are, end of May, sunny, dry, nice temps. And we are still getting one to two accidents A DAY, two to three rollovers A WEEK. Two days ago, a fatal head-on in Chichester. Bright, sunny and dry. Driving has now become lethal and with most of life in the rear view mirror, what little is left has become precious.

We all have decades in the saddle, but that's become totally meaningless. There is no skill, no evasive action at 60 mph {88 feet per SECOND} that's gonna save my ass when some moron crosses the yellow line because they looked down at a Facebook notification. Sucks out loud but it's life in 2018. We had the 60's, 70's, 80's 90's, etc. but denying the reality of today is a fool's errand. I'll take getting cut out of tin can with a Hurst tool over going down on an asphalt belt sander every time. W.R.
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Post Sat May 26, 2018 10:45 pm

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You make good points, W.R., da*n it. The dangers on the roads have definitely increased significantly in recent years for motorcyclists. For everyone really but mishaps are not forgiving for motorcyclists. Cell phones, nice in many ways, suck in a lot of ways too. Throw in the increase in weed, opioids, and general inattentiveness and the dangers escalate big time. It is definitely on my mind every time I ride. Scary stuff that we riders 'hope' we don't come face to face with. Relying on 'hope' is stupid, I'll grant that, but I hate giving it up. I wear the best gear available, every ride, stay out of blind spots, watch my lane positioning, try to keep good space, watch like a hawk at intersections, etc., but as you say, I'll have zero chance if a moron plows into me at a stop, crosses the line at speed suddenly, etc. The sucky part for us riders is that the likelihood of those bad things happening has increased significantly over the last 5+ years. I appreciate your candidness, W.R.

Do you just listen/watch that YouTube channel or are you involved with it in someway?

PS: Let me make a guess on how you picked your handle. You live in Manchester and an Indian Casino opened there? :)
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Post Sun May 27, 2018 12:29 am

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SouthTexas, The channel is mine, I made it, I've shot everything that's on it. It's been kind of a kick lately since a couple big things {massive barn fire in Bow, tanker rollover in Bow Junction} have gotten my stuff on Ch 9, Ch 5, Ch 7 and Fox 25. No money but that's fine, I've got that. Just neat to see your name up on the screen and get recognized for your work. My last video on WMUR's FB page got over 45,000 views, not bad for running out of the house in the middle of the night, lol.

Not to belabor the point, but this is from TODAY in Manchester - seriously, worse by the day! "Police said they were called to the intersection of Hanover and Page streets Saturday afternoon, after the driver of a Ford Ranger drove through a red light and collided with a Ford Escape, then crashed into the Page Street Express Mart.
A third vehicle was also hit in the ordeal. The driver of the Ford Ranger was taken to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead."

Here's one of my clips from Channel Nine ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a_hzySxT4M Take it easy, W.R.
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Post Sun May 27, 2018 10:27 am

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Wow, I'm impressed, W.R.! Very cool. What did you do hear it on a police scanner in the wee hours, head over to Bow which must be close to you, and video the fire, interviews, etc? Do you conduct any interviews? You are doing all that as a hobby? Very interesting. Sorry for all the questions, I'm just interested and curious.


Now, back to my guess on 'manchvegas'. Was I close? :)
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Post Sun May 27, 2018 11:59 am

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Hi, SouthTexas, I'm fortunate enough to be retired and with no clock to watch and every day being Saturday, the scanner goes on when I wake up and off at bedtime. Something good comes up and I go. No interviews, no "real" news, just video to post and share with the media when they want it. When you're a photographer, ya gotta take pictures, lol. W.R.
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Post Tue May 29, 2018 9:28 am

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Very cool! :)

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